CATALONIA -- Nació Digital: Albert Pont: «A l'Estat no li quedarà més remei que utilitzar la força»

Nació Digital: Albert Pont: «A l'Estat no li quedarà més remei que utilitzar la força»

Albert Pont:"The state will not be forced to use force" The employer argues that the aftermath of independence, "the best thing that could happen would be that France and Spain did not recognize" Predicts that the state will force the Police to detain Mas

Albert Pont could have been a member of the Spanish diplomatic corps. It oposita and oposita, but it came out. Catalan and to be middle class, two features not happen between Spanish ambassadors and consuls. In view of the impossibility of fulfilling this dream, redirected their concerns to the business world, without losing sight of the perspective of international diplomatic relations. Precisely this approach was that it allowed him to publish his first book in 2012, Delenda est Hispania (Vienna Editions), one of the handbooks for the recent independence, which have already been published up to eight editions. Since that September is the new president of the Catalan employers' Circle independence Business (CCN), and has now published Addendum. The day of independence, which extends some of the ideas that made the first text, especially on specific issues such as the distribution of debt, the nationality of the new Catalan citizens and the international recognition of the Catalan state. - Secession and independence. Hold that Catalonia secede already, but not yet freed. They are not synonymous? - We are not facing a break, but rather a gradual secession, as happened in Slovenia. The break was done with the Declaration of Sovereignty of January. From there, we entered a period of transition that is taking independence, during which we build structures of state and gradually we assume state functions, although Spain forbid . - The "national transition" So was this? - Independence is the replacement of one State by another in the international relations of a territory. We will not do it from one day to another, but we're doing it gradually. We gradually assuming responsibilities of State, until one day we all. Although there are those who think that secession is something traumatic rupture is done from a strictly legal point of view. Do not expect much more, because there is not much more. We are now halfway between secession and independence, and being Spanish, can be gradually assuming responsibilities of state. - If proclaims independence, the day the government will have enough people to send around the world to get recognition? - This is also what we are working with Diplocat the foreign service of the Government, diplomats forming the Catalan state. This year there has been a first call, and things are going so fast that in January there will be a second. It was fast, cruising, although the population is not aware of the things they are doing. - The independence is not accustomed to thinking in terms of state? - We wanted a state without knowing what it was. We thought that independence was something utopian, romantic ... but the harsh reality is very different. - The Eleventh of September, Via Catalan spread to northern Catalonia and Valencia. There were two errors of state? - Before the Catalan way, I show me very leery of crossing borders, especially in the north. Because France looks closely at everything we do. But eventually it ended up giving him the slightest importance, but they did not like. And the independence of Catalonia does not have to negatively affect France, but Spain is a very complicated situation. - In the case of independence, also predict that Spain will rot international recognition of Catalonia. - Spain is that it took 80 years to recognize the independence of the United Provinces of the Netherlands today! And people think: "Poor Dutch!" For the truth is that the Dutch were both in giving, were making his life interacting with other countries normally. And not only that Spain was recognized. - If Catalonia becomes independent, it could be the case that countries like Latvia or Lithuania recognized, but not Spain or France? - Would be the best thing that could happen. We recognize that between eight and twelve countries during the first week, with the possibility of extending it to twenty within a month. If during the period of transition to full independence international recognition, not Spain or France does not recognize us, I would say that would remain Catalonia region of Spain, and therefore a member of the EU. In this case, would not be affected our relations with Europe, while the Government could be negotiating directly with Brussels. What would be more complicated that today for tomorrow, give us independence. - Catalonia will have to at some point a "leap" out of this impasse? - Yes, and now must try to minimize. If Spain does not recognize the independence of Catalonia, will be forced to continue taking functions of sovereignty in Catalonia. What? All those who have not taken the Government. Although Catalonia cut funding tap, Spain will continue to pay pensions. So you can decide to stop paying in Spain, but Spain does not recognize you as an independent state, can not pay the unemployed, pensioners ... And what do we do? Spain pressed to stop paying so well t'estarà recognizing independence. It's complicated, but there is this uncertainty. - Is it credible that Spain finished touring the army to ensure the unity of the country? - If things are how they should do in Spain will not be forced to use force. The problem is that Spain is very clever: not send tanks or the Civil Guard and the army. The Constitutional Court tombarà consultation. From there, if the Government organizes consultation both yes and no, the state applied Article 155 of the Constitution and partially suspended the autonomy of the government in three specific responsibilities: Catalan police, education and media communication. Be charged to the immersion people out on the street, and then use the Police to implement the Spanish Constitution. That is, if someone stops the president Mas, not the Police but the Police are. From there, the Police have said they want to be faithful to what authority. - But all this will be nothing more than an internal affair Spanish. - The Spanish State can justify it as an internal matter as long as it does not pose a threat to the peace and stability of Europe, both politically and economically. At the time of independence of Catalonia threaten the viability of European integration will be a Spanish domestic problem. Consequently, we will be forced to make that secession might be a threat to anyone, and then be able to provide the solution. We know how to play our cards. And Europe does not mean it until you see it that seriously. - Europe can have the feeling that the process Catalan did you really? - There was a before and after the Catalan way. More than two million people took to the streets are a strong enough image. And there are countries that accept only the process but also generates sympathy. For example, the countries of Eastern Europe, from the Baltic to Poland, Romania and Bulgaria are not able to grow as much as they thought before joining the EU because Spain monopoly aid cohesion funds. Also, see if Poland Spain remained dwarfed, would be the fourth largest economy in the European system, and that means a redistribution of MEPs in their favor, responsibilities ... - Insist that the process Catalan is not an appeal to international law, but a specific case. - It is a very specific case, Catalan. If there is any criticism to be made to independence is that we have not put enough emphasis on the historical sovereignty of Catalonia and the illegality which led to the abolition of the sovereignty of Catalonia with Decree New Ground and the Treaty of Vienna. Yes, the preamble of the Declaration of Sovereignty in the end there was some mention, but what it is to emphasize that, from the standpoint of international law, the annexation of Catalonia by Spain be illegal. - More visit Israel in a few days. It is a key country for the process to get the sympathy and Catalan U.S.?