CATALONIA -- “Quan no obeeixes a interessos molt clars, ets incòmoda per a tothom” | pikara magazine
“Quan no obeeixes a interessos molt clars, ets incòmoda per a tothom” | pikara magazine
"When not reflect the interests very clear, you're uncomfortable for everybody"
Teresa Forcades explains his views on the law Gallardón, queer and feminist theology and its participation in the constitutional process in Catalonia.
Teresa Forcades PhD in medicine and theology Benedictine nun at the monastery of Sant Benet de Montserrat. Diana usual economic and political lobbying campaigns for its courageous reporting of the weight of the interests of multinational pharmaceutical companies in the management of pandemic flu in 2008, and more recently in unnecessary vaccination of human papillomavirus in teenage girls, as well as to criticize the positions of ecclesiastical leadership on issues such as abortion or the relationship with Franco , promotes constitutional process in Catalonia while queer theology teaches in Berlin. This interview is the summary of a long conversation about theology, politics and feminism with her.
What do you think of the bill and designed to protect the rights of the pregnant woman that was presented to Cabinet on 20 December?
My position is that of the constituent process : critique and rejection, because it tries to regulate function socially imposed values. That said, now comes my personal motivation, which I take responsibility individually: I think it is a clear violation of the right to self-determination of a woman who was a law to compel the mother. I appreciate too much meaning to be. I think a woman has become pregnant without wishing it, even through violence, pregnancy can live as positive, but I am in favor of allowing abortion while the fetus is not viable without considering other elements . There is a real ethical conflict, a bioconflicte between the right to self-determination and the right to the mother's life being that this is brewing .. In a situation where the mother can not choose, their right to self-determination deserve the utmost respect. You have a mother who has to make sense in the world and support a child with a serious malformation that is known to suffer and die soon after being born. Would force it to abort the other end and I'm against it, I think this creature is God's image and would like the world to know we had a host. But what I think, and I can not tell another woman: 'you, by law, I want to force the state to do that I think is good. "
Catholics for the Right to Decide explain that canon law innocent women to abort when they are under 16, in case of violation, need to remedy damage to self-defense ... Why do you think this law is even even more restrictive law from Pope John XXIII?
There are groups that relying on the Catholic faith, promote restrictive laws to polarize society and interest groups trying to create a debate that sometimes away from the momentous issues, such as the social issue at this time the crisis. In 92 I went to the U.S. for the first time: there were even people on the street with images of bloody fetuses, saying that women who abort are killer ... those years were gunned gynecologist [1] that had abortions and the person who accompanied him. This polarization sought and beloved political purposes has come here, and it was not spontaneous. There are groups and movements working for social justice and many Christians would agree, but when we go on homosexuality, marriage and adoption rights, abortion and the right to own body, problematizing it ends up absurd . It's a great way to divide a social body which together would be very afraid. Had dismantled a strong potential for social struggle and now we are returning to articulate.
Lidia Falcon survey examines law as a punishment for all the progress made in gender equity and equality embodied in recent decades the body of women, the result of continuity with the vision nacionalcatolicista the body of women and abortion. What do you think?
The law and designed to protect the rights of the pregnant woman tries to regulate function socially imposed values. It is a clear violation of the right to self-determination of a woman to be a law obliging mother
Laws like this are due to a phenomenon that I have also studied the subject of witches: both East and West, at different times of social crisis, confusion, anxiety, loss of references, emerges as the mother figure that will solve the problem and must be controlled in a special way as a kind of collective exorcism, as the scapegoat: "We women puesto and things will be better." But these right-wing strategists would not be successful if there was something in the general population that would add. Why support it? This psychological part that makes them feel protected by such laws. I think that patriarchy arises from mental transhistorical structures we have, based on the assertion psychoanalytic object Erotic primary both in children and in girls is the mother or surrogate, regarding which originates a binarietat: who is identified with the object of desire we call girl, and who is not, we tell children. Patriarchy says that in adult life have to be so, I say we cross the fundamental fantasy in Lacanian language, and if we use Christianity, born again. If the identity reference is the mother figure, women tend to make carers and men expect to be cared for.
Evaluate efforts to build a broad alliance of women from all sectors of society against reform abortion as MPs pact that has driven the Feminist Platform Alicante and have joined the socialist policies, despite inviting right-wing policies?
Excellent. These alliances among women, and this closeness realize that there is a common interest, practical, day to day, has always been the history is our strength. the seventeenth century, the great fight of Christian denominations after the Reformation and Counter-Reformation had made the males, because women written letters and is a Protestant, the other Anglican Catholic ... find another way to a bridge to the other without this divissòries confessional. At the beginning of Christianity in the Roman Empire, a law forbidding Christian women to let pagan costumes to go to the circus. This means that they did!
At different times in history the crisis emerges as the mother figure that will solve the problem and must be controlled in a special way as a kind of exorcism collective
You said that the Spanish Church has apologized for its collusion with Franco and give up the privileges derived. This includes the repeal of the Concordat with the Holy 73, the ecclesiastical privileges when allocating the income tax?
The Church not only tolerated Franco, who was a criminal government, gave support without which probably would not have endured. The best way to go as an institution after an experience that is admittedly and obviously be deleted all the privileges that correspond only by being Church.
But the law Wert, back to school segregation by gender privileges to the appointment, the restoration of the Catholic religion as a compulsory subject ...
At school there should be no religion catechesis. A course that values religion as culture would be very interesting, not a boiler, but a subject well done, not just Christianity, and think it should be designed curriculum. There is value in knowing the history of the country, not because the gospel from a cultural point of view is to take precedence over any other holy book. Privileging religious schools subsidized in any way. This is framed within this trend to privatization: Spain had a good college level and, in some cases, points. Now, the departments worked better be privatized and become elite institutions. It can if you get grants, but it is not grabbing the brains and the rich, but the general population has access to higher learning and universities.
The Church not only tolerated Franco, who was a criminal government, gave support without which probably would not have endured
I hope the Pope Francis addressing structural reform within the church. This includes possible female priesthood, celibacy is optional and that the clergy can marry?
The reforms will not ever come up, or the society or the Church. This has been away from society as a whole and I think that now, suddenly, a charismatic pope make a structural change from above and produce a shift towards greater social justice. Yes it is possible that, as with John XXIII, a leader of the Catholic Church promotes change toward greater justice, to realize that the foundations church for years were not only demanding change but preparing it, experimenting, innovating creating institutions like Teologie Nouvelle (new theology), the liturgical movement, to change things in the liturgy, and biblical movement ... John XXII said 'we have to open windows to get air that smells of stale'. Now we are in a parallel situation, there are many groups that were inspired by the Second Vatican Council, to see how they closed the doors, and started pulling things back. For example, from the Vatican says that the parish council decisions are taken jointly. In many parishes these tips have dismantled or no weight with the president, women's groups, youth with social concerns have been drowning out by doing what activities. Despite difficulties in all these years there has been a growing Catholic base that saw urgent reforms, openings and possibilities of democracy within the church.
God is a community, a relational freedoms, and to be present in the world does not need a heterosexual couple
Created movements like We are the Church (We Are Church), as Catholics for the Right to Decide, asking the priests and optional celibacy ... The liberation theology, of course, with all its political commitment and need to embody the gospel politically. Let's see if the Pope Francis allowing all have their own space to grow within the church.
You say that part of the feminist theology of liberation theologies critical and, therefore, focuses on the situation of women and their conception from the ecclesial structure, but also the inequality and discrimination by class, ethnicity , sexual orientation, gender identity ...
Women as a group are an ecclesial structure that says: "God justifies your submission", and history are groups of males and females who say that God is for equality and freedom for all, and God justified under this release. Just after the Second Vatican Council, Mary Daly and Elizabeth Schüssler Fiorenza claimed absolute equality in the church and the Catholic FOREM pioneers in making the request for female priesthood. With the first ordinations of women in the Episcopal Church 74 (I think there were nine or eleven, including theologian Carter Heyward, who had not yet made public that she was lesbian) Paul VI entrusted the Pontifical Biblical Commission that studied Scripture if there is something contrary to the organization of women. The committee worked for two years and his conclusion is that there is nothing contrary. Paul VI made a motu proprio (a pope can make the final decision) and it seemed that it was time pastorally. Then there were statements against John Paul II and Benedict XVI, but never said they were a dogma of the Church. There have been many claims that the church has changed: for many years It has been said that slavery was willed by God. Slaves Americans say that the white settlers, and when learning to read, take the Bible say that God is not with the white settlers but with its release, and create an entire spiritual strength from this post: Go down Moses, Let my people go.
The queer claims the uniqueness of each person, and that any identity tag is a crutch that reflects the fear of personal freedom
With faith dogmas of the Catholic Church have no problem, because I never thought that theology was a philosophy born of reason. Revealed theology postulates born there and works with reason. Says God exists and is present in time and space, embodying in one person, which celebrate Christmas. Like Marian dogma that says that God asked Mary, and only her. Celebrate those who exercised absolute power could not, because it gives meaning respect for others, love of freedom and open spaces. I appear to the world, God does not need a heterosexual couple, only one human consciousness free to say yes.
A feminine consciousness.
It can be male or female, but it is evident that a female embodies all the power of humanity. In Jesus is called son of man, but it was only a woman, Mary, to whom the Holy Spirit, the most personal expression and freedom of God makes a proposal, and she said 'OK.' It is thought the relationship with God as a relationship of equals.
This is the communal and egalitarian vision of the Holy Trinity claiming your dissertation.
God alone is sovereign who plays the psychotic delusions of omnipotence of the child, it is a community, a relational freedoms. Maria said the son, and he said the father, and the son says, and you pick out the other, because, of course, if you happen to ... The Trinity disarticulates whole pyramid scheme, not the invented Christianity. In many cultures, social organizations, the trend of the pyramid is very unsafe for children, and if religions have some sense is to inspire us to overcome this fear, understand that reality can be absolutely horizontal. In the communities, companies, cost us the pyramidal structures. The horizontality see in the theology of the Benedictine order, who live in the community, and the church in general. Ask everyone is confident and mature to break this dependency relationships, to create the Kingdom of God on earth and treat ourselves to one another as God treats us. The word Testament (Old or New) means alliance, which is when people have the same power. This is the heart of this religion.
The homosexual love is perfectly acceptable for the church because it has what is essential: an intimacy open to an interpersonal relationship with respect to the integrity of the other
Getting to queer theology?
Student Judith Butler. I appreciate that the claims queer character unique to each person, and that any label identity, gender, race, nation ... is a crutch that reflects your fear of personal freedom. The process of spiritualization, cristificació and deification is daring to be a realization of love and freedom are God when he says 'you made in my image.' Buddhism says that personal identity is a fiction and should be overcome because everything is an undifferentiated unity. This void staff is only a first step to move to the consciousness of unity. But, the Trinity, the unit is never more than the difference. Trinity says that diversity is so lofty as unity, because unity is one thing and another very different consistency.
The analysis considers religious intercourse as something that has finally spawned a utilitarian view of human love and is contrary to Christian spirituality. Give you the mystery of interpersonal relationship is to deliver you to grow in the direction of being the image of God, the incarnate God represents the earth. Penetrating you there, you get a gift that can generate this union a son, but this is perfectly compatible with them you can be responsible and use contraception when you see fit. That is contrary to Christian morality as if thinking two ways to use the body of a woman, usually based on the male perspective: the bad, use it to give you pleasure yourself, it would lust and is condemned by all the Church Fathers, and the other, use it to give you children, and that is good. No! Would denigrate the integrity of the couple, the other person. So I understand that homosexual love is perfectly assumibleper the church because it has what is essential: not having children but open to an intimacy in interpersonal relationships including respect for the integrity of the other. Two people who love each other, and they want respect, they are giving testimony: that the sacrament is a visible sign, like baptism, is saying that this creature is accepted in the community as one '. Trinitarian theology says that all sacraments are a representation of the love of God. God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct but complementary. Love is not necessary, not when I need you because I need something, love can not be utilitarian.
Neither the church nor anyone can ask me to say what I think or do not do what I think
There are some political and social sectors and areas previously organized the emergence of Process Component (PC) in Catalonia cruise criticize the process and favoritism by the visibility of people 'media' as you can be you or Arcadi Olives . As the relationship with these living spaces, and all processes and assemblies arising 15M 2011?
It's normal for people for years is trying to organize a unit criticizes the fact go faster: if they were attached to 46,000 people came out for PC only on TV, it would have been a souffle. If the PC can go cruising thanks to the assemblies of 15M, neighborhood organizations, and many people that were working there confident and organized. And it was not that much because our political space or niche is to encourage many people who did not participate. 15M Many people, even some entire assemblies localities have their PC, others are more expectant, there is every possible variation. But people already working or should have because the climate in Catalonia or the root process organized human potential. There is a relationship where the other pioneers, and we're not going to take advantage of what we started, but competitors do not try to put a unit factor, and if gelled be together.
Be uncomfortable for everyone either seems wrong. It usually happens when you do not obey very clear interests
Regarding the favoritism, go find someone who has that visibility was a strategy. If not, how to mobilize people who had not been mobilized? Now beginning to have other visible faces, our role should be increasingly offset by other active agents within the movement.
You are uncomfortable by certain sectors of Catholicism, but also sectors of the left, living your involvement as interference on PC, or even an attempt at manipulation by the church. What do you think?
I have taken this initiative because people politically organized at different levels thought of what we could do to create a unit in Catalonia, because they knew that in the long term, how we are united we will win the game, and they thought that Arcadi and I are people with credibility cross. Coming down, and people who are not church. As for the church, I found uncomfortable by the organizational structures of the Church. Bishop of San Felix, of the diocese which comprises my monastery, he told me that is useless if you do not change the structures change hearts. I agree, the Constitution is worthless if people do not work to have this done meat. The law itself does a just society, but now we have laws that favor the interests of multinational companies against popular sovereignty, and we must change. The heart wants a bit more work, so I am by structural change. Our society gives us a structure where did experience a lack of solidarity, I want to create one to help us make solidarity. There is a fear that I recognize the Catholic Church, because our country has had a partnership of 40 years of dictatorship. But, too many people base many years testifying in favor of liberation theology, the poor, who died in Republicans, who worked for Catalan when this went against the established power that had stayed. The church is a foundation and structures that are part who have the responsibility to work for change. I was uncomfortable for everyone not seem so bad. When not obey interests very clear, step on some chick's eye of both. But, fighting block who seek to benefit society is based on mistrust and fear, there will be levels that together or diverge, but I can not see how a competitor and enemy. This is the capitalist gaze towards the other, and this anthropological basis we begin to change.
How far can the dissent in the church? Are you afraid of reprisals by being public?
Should not lose consistency. I do not think the ecclesial institution can make me abdicate what I understand the principles of the gospel, and if it takes me problems, I'll have to see how they claim. Neither the church nor anyone can ask me to say what I think or do not do what I do not. I can ask that street, not rule it out at a certain time.
Our society gives us a structure where did experience a lack of solidarity, I want to create one to help us make solidarity
My voice is not essential. Some people should shut up and then has made bigger, like Brazilian theologian Ivonne Gebara, who asked him he went to Europe. It was a punishment, but now has more arguments to defend what I said before.
The person behind the character disappears. There is a positive side to go veiled includes the good fruit of many nuns who recognized the poor people you trust: ask on the street, I see you smile and make you feel closer. At the hospital, still wearing white hospital gown, veil wins the differential class. Simple people understand that we are at the same level. Not me but I won the nuns who have preceded me, although there are also historical criticism to the nuns who are founded. Although I do not like labels, there is a social and emit signals that depend on where you stand. Also, this language reflects the difficulty of recognizing a person further. At the base of queer theory is that they give you space to be who you are, rather than obliterate you under the generic nun monjita, sister ... It is very interesting to think about what it means from the perspective of the reference female touch things unconscious .
[1] On 29 July 1994, Dr. John Bayard Britton, abortion provider, and James Barrett, his volunteer escort, were killed outside an abortion clinic in Pensacola, Florida.
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